Re: [-empyre-] (no subject)
Jim writes:
what I find interesting comes out of M.M Bakhtin's methodology for
narrative analysis as chronotope:
"Literally, ?time-space?. A unit of analysis for studying texts according
to the ratio and nature of the temporal and spatial categories
represented.(Emerson and Holquist 1981 425)"
Even the "vacant lot where a historical theater once stood" (does this
make the lot historical also??) is space in represented form.The data is
not generated by simply observing the space but rather
thinking/reporting/describing it. Moving through a space is also
negotiating a text in spacial form but if I dream about the space or walk
through it during my lunch break then it only becomes narrative if I write
it down or describe it to someone. The exception to this is the idea of
inner-speech which is non-spatial (think blue think sad).
The idea of "filling in the blanks" is a nice one I think. It reminds me
of Tracey Moffat's film and stills work.
> Well, first of all, I'm talking about my own approach which I explained
> in a previous post.
>
>
>> I don't understand. He hasn't really articulated an approach. Jeremy
>> is
>> asking if given a space to work with, what would interest you. Its
>> examination by humans that generates data. One could look at the
>> desert
>> and generate an absurd amount of data based on studies of insects,
>> geology, archeaology, petrolium exploration and so on.
>
> This isn't very different than what I was saying. It's not just
> examination by humans, it's also how humans or animals or whatever
> interact with the location and that is what interests me personally.
> What kind of narrative can be extracted from the way people interact
> with a location? But, to tell the truth, the narrative doesn't really
> matter to me at first. All I want is to make an audio/visual
> representation of that interaction. The narrative is more of a
> side-effect. You start to wonder what that person could possibly be
> doing in that place at that time of day and then, in an attempt to make
> some sense of it all, you start to fill in the blanks and make up
> stories about what might be going on. But as I say, this is all a
> side-effect. I really just want to make a pretty picture.
>
> On lau, 2004-09-18 at 13:22, knowlton@34n118w.net wrote:
>> > I would have to say that this approach doesn't really work. The
>> location
>> > doesn't generate data itself. It's static.
>>
>> I don't understand. He hasn't really articulated an approach. Jeremy is
>> asking if given a space to work with, what would interest you. Its
>> examination by humans that generates data. One could look at the desert
>> and generate an absurd amount of data based on studies of insects,
>> geology, archeaology, petrolium exploration and so on.
>>
>> In the city one could look at a specific street address (lat, long
>> coordinates) and examine zoning, power and water consumption, wifi data
>> packets buzzing past, telephone usage and much more.
>>
>> > Although, there are stations
>> > here in Iceland where they have stationary, high-precision GPS
>> receivers
>> > that measure the movement of the tectonic plates, but that's not the
>> > same thing. Dropping a GPS device in a vacant lot isn't going to give
>> > you any data unless someone picks it up and steals it. I would have to
>> > visit the location and see what's going on. Are there any people or
>> > anything mobile that have some specific relation to the location?
>>
>> One of our interests is time. It often gets lost because people think of
>> location aware as mobility, movement in some sort of curent now. Yes
>> this
>> sort of work is tied to location, but we can also examine that location
>> in
>> time.
>>
>> In London Naomi, Jeremy and I stood outside a modern glass and steel
>> store
>> front bar, a few feet away stood an ancient Roman wall.
>>
>> I could use my location aware goodies to stand in that court yard and
>> drill down past the glass and steel building and reconstruct the brick
>> and
>> mortar building that used to occupy that location. Further back in time
>> I
>> can reconstruct the Roman stone building that stood here.
>>
>> If American's weren't so afraid of Terrorism and we had access to blue
>> prints and maps of city infrastructure. We could expose the varius
>> layers
>> of water, sewer, electical, telecommunication, transportation and so on
>> that under the streets of New York.
>>
>> One could just as easily reverse the process and write a fictive space
>> across the desert. Perhaps Borges Cartographers only made the map, never
>> the city.
>>
>> jeff
>>
>>
>> > Perhaps a street cleaner or bike courier in the newly built city
>> center
>> > or some animal in the stretch of desert. If the desert area is in fact
>> > the same length and width as the autobahn, maybe it would be
>> interesting
>> > to use an animal in the desert and a truck driver on the autobahn and
>> > see how they harmonize.
>> >
>> > Pall
>> >
>> >
>> > On f�¶s, 2004-09-17 at 17:24, hight@34n118w.net wrote:
>> >> If you see a city and you see data, how do you see the two in
>> >> juxtaposition or integration? If you were presented with either a
>> >> vacant
>> >> lot where a historical theater once stood, a stretch of nondescript
>> >> desert
>> >> in the same length and width as the autobahn, or a city center newly
>> >> built, which would you choose to work with?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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